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Hey Jack…Yes… I remembered in 70’s in CSDB changed into Hands Flying and felt lost related to Hands Flying. I am 200% agree with you!!! Clapping and/or Fists give more spirt?
I DID COMPLAINED ABOUT FLYING HANDS BECAUSE I DISAGREE VERY MUCH.
I AM SICK OF HEARING PEOPLE CONTROL DEAFIES.DEAFIES DO NOT CONTROL HEARING PEOPLE.
FLYING HANDS LOOKS LIKE RELIGION SINGING.
ANOTHER ONE LOOKS LIKE “FINISH”
I HOPE DEAFIES WILL SEE VLOG AND GO BACK TO CLAP HANDS.
LET DEAFIES WARN HEARING PEOPLE.
HOPE TO HEAR BETTER IN NEAR FUTURE ABOUT CHANGING BACK.
PS I SAW HEARING PEOPLE FLYING HANDS, I ASKED WHY THAT..SHE SAID JUST FOLLOW. I ASKED IF SHE IS IN SINGING RELIGION OR FINISH…SHE MUTED FAST AND AGREE WITH ME…SMILE.
I am disappointed with your vlog. I challenge you to provide proof that AG Bell started this hand waving. I know you may not be able to provide that because it is a myth!
How did this hand applause/wave started in United States?
It started by Deaf people in France when Bummy Burnstein went there for the celebration of Laurent Clerc’s 200th birthday. After each presentation, Bummy was very touched by Deaf French people waved their hands. He brought this back to USA and shared with Deaf Youth Leadership Camp in 1986 at Minnesota, and it spread like a wildfire, and kept spreading until the Deaf President Now in 1988 and the DeafWay in 1989.
Jack, please provide evidence about AG Bell fooling the audience. It is a MYTH that you are spreading. I am disappointed at you, and yet, I am not surprised to hear that from you somehow.
You may not realize that this visual applause started long, long time ago. Way before the time frame you said on the vlog.
Congratulations! I am glad you brought up old give a round of applause. What bothers me about new symptom of applause for a long time? I could see why you have some experiences what happened to the damn story. I appreciate your chronicle.
[...] wake up this morning to find this post on DeafRead by Jack Barr, discussing the origins of the Deaf applause… where you wave your hands in the air instead of [...]
Hands flying wave start by deaf France in 19 century. Deaf have been using hand flying wave for over 200 years. The story about 2 deaf, who went to the meeting in 70’s is a hoax story.
I agree with Amy Cohen Efron’s comments and facts. Also, I support hand waving “UPPLAUSE” as it is Deaf way - the visual clapping. When one claps, one loses about 10 calories. When one “upplauses”, one loses about 1000 calories. I think UPPLAUSE is healthier for our arms. LOL.
hi jack; you can click to use service@tube.com and inform on your vlog to ask every deaf people’s computer about agree or disagree??if you want to do … i do agree with you about clap hands. thanks by butterfly
To be sure, Hand-Waving is a strong symbol of Deaf identity and it really is a cool one. We’re expressing a statement along with our applause by making hands wave more vigorously than clapping. The “effect” of hand-waving is equally as loud as the sound of clapping. Whereas, the visual effect of hand-clapping is somewhat lessened because it is lower.
Jack made AGBell the defining reason why we shouldn’t hand-wave. But I don’t think that is material to the actual issue of hand-waving. So what? None of us think of AGBell when we hand-wave. We think of cultural identity. If it is true that AGBell did that, then their goal failed miserably because it made our culture even stronger and more distinct.
What’s more important is to discuss whether hand-waving is sufficient or even appropriate. There are confusions of protocol at times. For example, if it is a deaf presententer to a deaf audience, certainly hand-waving is appropriate. But, what if it is a hearing person presenting to a deaf audience? Or a mixed situation with both deaf/hearing presenters and a deaf/hearing audience? What if you are the only deaf person in the audience?
The intent of applause, whether it be hand-waving or hand-clapping, is to show support or commend the presenter. We show support for the presentation. Whatever method we choose, we need to choose the one that best expresses our support. It isn’t about establishing our cultural identity, because not every presentation is about Deaf Culture. A hearing person does not hand-clap to assert his/her hearing culture, but to commend the presenter.
Going back to my example of only deaf person in the audience, are we truly commending the presenter if we are the only person in the audience hand-waving? I don’t know. But I think for that hearing presenter, the louder the applause (more claps), the more that person is complimented.
I remember once seeing a show years ago on television with Marlee Matlin as guest. The host wanted to show the hearing audience how we applaud by waving our hands and asked the audience to do that. With the cameras on the audience, the audience did just that, at the same time looking at each other with a sense of confusion. There was an awkward silence during the hand-waving and it was clear that hand-waving did not have the same impact to this audience as it does to a Deaf audience.
I don’t think there is a right or wrong answer to which method is most appropriate. I think for all of us, we have to judge each situation and insert the best method we see to support or commend the presenter.
No matter where it started, when it started or how it started. It looks very silly!
It may have impressed the speaker Bummy 200 yrs ago and Bummy was heart warmed (maybe they were really telling him to finish up already?) but I think it was meant the same as a standing ovation in this day and age for a person.
It’s done once in awhile when emotion carries people away, but not on a continous basis.
Instead of raise hands waving, STAND UP AND CLAP!
the American Way, not hearing or deaf way!
Hey Jack’s Eyes!!!!
Pah!!! I thought I was only person feel uncomfortable when Deaf use Upplaud than clap.
I never liked upplauding because looks like saying “Big Fiiiinnnniiiisssshhhhhhhhhhh”
Fuck these inventor and those who still use hand wavings!
Clapping is very VISUALLY CLEAR and makes sense to anyone, even with low IQ have better common senses to clap than an educated person who upplauds.
Start clapping again…….. don’t want to see new phrase…… Deaf people can do everything except hear or/and CLAP? hahahaha!!! We can clap because we can see people clap because they like something that is very good.
Jack,, I have always clapped, when my deaf friends were using the hand wave, I found it a bit akward.
Regardless who started it, is irrelevant..I prefer to clap rather than use the hand wave.
Jack keep up the good work.
I agree with you 100%. I never like hands flying and that has no feeling after well spoke or well played so I like clapping that makes us stronger and tradition!
hi jack i think clapping hands is more exciting abt itself shows feelings its good i agree with u jack and thanks for telling us go back the way it suppose to be !!!!!
Can you prove it’s AG Bell that started it? It doesn’t make sense to me that they would want to start that, seeing as they wanted Deaf people to be oral and “assimilate” (not stand out) to the hearing world.
Waving hands would be something that makes Deaf people stand out, so I just don’t see the sense in saying that AG Bell started that. Not sure I agree with you, but you can post whatever you want.
Jack,
I know that you re forget asl is conflict because
already asl is techinque can’t back time.
Don’t let children confuse. They keep up proper
asl is future!!!!!!!
For the commenters here, there are TWO different things going on here.
ONE: Jack is saying that AGBell started this and he obviously did not do his homework because that information is false.
Which was the sole purpose of his vlog. He did not ask which is better? But, many of you commented that you liked one better than the other. That’s fine.
TWO: Deaf people are free to use clapping or hand waving, however they feel comfortable. But, this was not the purpose of this vlog.
This is an example of misinformation that creates hysteria which creates mob mentality. Let’s just bury this deep resentment towards AGBell because it has become a source of false information time and time again and creates unnecessary division. It’s silly. What’s next?
I often felt hesitate using hand waving. Its just doesn’t feel right, but I sometime just tag along with group. Certainly do felt difference between clapping and hand waving. Hand clapping make me feel inspiriting than hand waving. Because it does make sound, sometime loud. Hand waving is all silent.
And of course, it can be confusing with “finish” signing. Hand clapping has no confusing, thats for sure!
Glad you did bold annoucing your comment. Way to go … high 5 slap!
TJ
Jack,
I agreed 100 percent with you !!!! I usually clapping after the play or lecture..
I felt so awark to use hand flying..
thank you for telling everyone on BLOG… smile,,
Loretta
Jack,
I agreed 100 percent with you !!!! I usually clapping after the plays or lecture..
I felt so awark to use hand flying..
thank you for telling everyone on BLOG… smile,,
Loretta
Hey Jack. I agree with you 100%. I have been saying the same thing to all of my friends and want to see that stop and we all go back to clapping like normal people. Keep up the good work. I am a CDI and support your idea all the way.
I’ve always wondered why the deaf decided to wave hands in response to clapping, when clapping of the hands is more universal. Secondly, I have always wondered why they have the ‘yes’ and ‘no’ in signs when all it takes is to nod one’s head for ‘yes’ and ‘no’ rather than using the hand, but being mainstreamed myself in public schools years ago, I had to accept the deaf sign language while I attended college and it was somewhat foreign to me. I always attributed it to them wanting to be noticed.
In fact, the origin of “waving hands” was not created from AGB or any audist-related organization. During the Deaf President Now protest in 1988, protesters began to use “waving hands” instead of clappings. The “waving hands” suddenly became famous by exposing it in many national and international media news. In France, Deaf people unexpectedly felt surprised, celebrated, and laughed when they watched the Deaf Protest Now news. French Deaf people felt proud because Gally protesters used “clapping” in French Sign Language !!! “Waving hands” was originally created by French Deaf people, not AGB.
Sir
It was something I can’t imagine in between clapping or waving hands, what choice do we have, tell you what I believe in clapping, why, is always like that, yes indeed the waving hands, well to me is deaf culture way of doing it.
So I’m harding of hearing myself, either way I can is waving hands or clapping, is it harm in that, I guess not, to tell the truth I prefer a real clapping rather than waving hands. Just keep what they please as human beings. Thanks.
Hi, I mentioned in other blogs that other commentators were coming down hard on you for using AGB that they encouraged hand flying.
Jack, I would like to ask you how you found out about AGB and if it was hearsay or if you have any evidence that it is true? If it was hearsay and it is carried into the deaf community, perhaps we need to sit back and investigate why people believe that it was started by AGB convention because AGB organization will not be happy if they found out it wasn’t true.
I would rather to clap my hands when the show or the lecture had end. It is much easier to see. I would rather to stay with clapping hands!!! no matter what!!!
BRAVO JACK!!! I HAVE COMPLAINED AND COMPLAINED MANY TIMES IN THE PAST ABOUT FLYING HANDS.. CLAPPING IS THE BEST THING TO DO.. I HARDLY USE FLYING HANDS WHENVER AT DEAF MEETINGS OR WEDDINGS… BRAVO IM SOOOO GLAD YOU BROUGHT THIS UP!!! BIG WINK!!!!
I love you!!!!!
For years, I use clappings. Never use Flying Hands.
I do not feel comfortable with Flying Hands! I do not
know why I feel that way even though I am profound deaf.
Thank you for being on Vlog.
It is not true. It is invented by deaf students at Gallaudet Protest. It started by Gallaudet Protest. I like wave flying because I am deaf and It is visbable. Clapping is for hearing can hear. Wave Flying is good eyes by deaf’s eyes. I will use wave flying till I died.
Amy Cofen Enfron is definitely wrong about hands waving is a part of Deaf Culture. Out of Order! I come from Deaf Family even in fourth generation. I knew the hands clapping is part of our culture. I believe the hands waving is a fad after the 1988 gally protest.
The point about that joke concerning two Deaf individuals who went to a conference that AGBell hosted. The joke itself is offensive to some Deaf people because it mocks their intellect.
That joke is as bad as blonde jokes, sex jokes, or even hard of hearing jokes. In such public places like websites, let’s be respectful to all others.
Jack, I appreciate your courage bringing up that issue and making us think.
If I may put my two cents in, we could discuss this rationally and come away with better understanding.
Hi Jack Hee ha hee LoL good show same with me long time ago use to be clapping correct-hands flying incorrect. Give 5 stars. Tks BCS Post: will send new show very funny ok.
So, most of you don’t give a hoot who it was invented by?
I agree with Darrell Roby, hand waving was not used by the deaf culture until late 80’s when it started to flourish after DPN.
What about deaf weddings? clink spoon/fork/knife on glassware to make the newlywed kiss…deaf can’t hear…do? do? Napkins! Nevermind, this has nothing to do with hand waving.
I prefer clapping.
AGBell has nothing to do with it right?
Jack start a POLL please. Leave AGBell out of the POLL too.
I REMEMBERED, ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO WE WENT TO COOPERSTOWN, NY TO SEE THE NATIONAL BASEBALL HALL OF FAME AND MUSEUM. MY SONS WERE EXCITING TO SEE IT. MY SON, KYLE WANTED TO SEE FAMOUS BASEBAL LEAQUES. WE HAD THE OPPORTUNTY TO EXPLORE THE BASEBALL HALL OF FAME AND HISTORY FROM MANY DIFFERENT STATES. I MET DEAF A COUPLES TOLD ME THE STORY OF DEAF DUMMY HOY WHO WAS A PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL PLAYER. I NEVER HEARD ABOUT HIM. HE WAS EXPERT PITCH. ALSO, HE WAS A PRO AS LIKE BABY RUTH. HEARING PEOPLE LOVED TO WATCH DUMMY HOY. THEY WOULD WAVE FLYING HANDS. DUMMY HOY COULDN’T HEAR THE APPLAUSE. DEAF COUPLES THERE WHO WERE SURPISED THAT DUMMY HOY WAS NOT ON THE PLAQUE ON THE WALL OR HISTORY.
I REALIZED THE MUSEUM DIDN’T ACCEPT DEAF PRO BASEBALL PLAYER AND REJECTED DUMMY HOY.
I AM COURIOUS ABOUT DUMMY HOY FAMOUS, WHY WASN’T HIS NAME ON THE LIST THRE IN COPPERTOWN NY? WHAT DO YOU KNOW? WHAT IS HIS REAL NAME DUMMY HOY HIS NAME?
All Jesus cares about is what’s in your heart when you use either way. One of the responders above has proof that waving of hands came from France using this to applaud and many Deaf Cultures tend to to borrow each others signs and nothing wrong with that. Read all of the comments before you let your emotions take over. We as Deaf people need to not get mad so easily and assume what we saw somone say is true. God bless.
I agree with you 100%! I think “handwaving” is ridiculous! It a tradition that we clap with our hands with or without sounds. It does not matter if u cannot hear it. We have eyes and we can see what is going on. If you guys are with the handwaving then obivously you guys are trying to control the way you wanted to be just because your deaf and not being able to hear. Being able not to hear anything does not mean crap. It just mean that you cant hear. You can still be just like hearing people. Nothing will stop you. So, I beleive that clapping is the best solution instead of handwaving.
Of course Gally’s powerful symbol or sign signal for a protest and voice as if we Deaf said (signed) “Finish with hearing President” and we want Deaf President at this time there. These words, finish,want,or spread all have a similiar form of sign so it starts a new sign for our America Sign Language! Well, it means To protest;To want to spread of Deaf voice- unoffically sign yet….till we use it more in future at any such protest or voice march. I am sure this hand waving will always get much attenion whenever needed only for that reason and all of us to stop doing that for all of other events and appropriate ourselves by using old-fashioned way of hand-clapping. And tell the hearing people whenever they hand-clap us, just to be sure to hand-clap harder and stronger so we can either hear or even feel their vibrations to be appreciated!
Depending how you comfort with two different kinds: clapping or waving hands. I only wave my hands in deaf audiences/cultures/events. I agree that story about A.G. Bell is a HOAX! If you have any proof, can you provide names of those deaf attendees so we can ask them a simple question. OK with you?
I see hot rebates between pros and cons, ask you, Jack to set up ballot: Waving or Clapping?
Very interesting vlog by Jack. I am not sure about the origin of flying hands to show appreciation toward someone. I doubt that AG Bell came up with this because that would fly contrary to their audistic philosophy. They would not want us to use this flying hands cuz then it would identify us as unique cultural group and acknowledge the power of visual signs.
But let’s say for the sake of argument this is true. So what? Let’s not be embarrassed or ashamed of our cultural identity. Whatever the source of our flying hands, it has become entrenched into our identity as a minority group in its own rights. It is the symbol of our Deafness and a symbol of our dependence on the American Sign Language. Let us go forth and continue to proudly wave our hands in the air and put a “finish” on this issue.
If someone took a shotgun and blast it in the air, a herd of sheep would freak out and stampede the opposite direction where a cliff is located. Of course, the deaf sheep would stand around a bit, be confused and don’t know what to do. What do the deaf sheep do? They look at the hearing sheep running, so the deaf sheep copy the hearing sheep and run too. So smart. Let’s follow the hearing way! After all, hearing knows best! Be a sheep. BAAAAAAAAA! *splat!*
Why didn’t two deaf people thow their shoes at AGBad? LMAO.
Did they invented “Clapper” right? haven’t they invented “Hand Flyer” to turn the light off?
Yes, this HI business is getting tiresome and your message is appreciated. I once had a hearing lady who asked me how I felt. Surprised by her inquiry, I answered her with another question, “How do you feel about being MALE-IMPAIRED?” She laughed and understood! Gentle humor often goes a long way-
Horrah ! somebody finally spoke up about clapping and waving the hands ( like idiots !). Do not get me wrong , I grew up with my deaf family in the deaf world ( back in 1940’s ). Handwaving makes me feel like that we came from mental hospital and four square church ! NO WAY ! I never wave my hands while the other deafies handwave and I always clap . Some of them look strange at me and I don’t care. My hat tips to Jack for making a point . Keep up good work . Thank u and BLESS u , Jack !
I’m sorry to say this but i do not think it’s AG Bell that invented this “flying fingers”. AG Bell is strongly into “oral” method. At that time, this “flying fingers” wasn’t even invented or created.
I think it’s everyone’s wish how they want to applaud.
Nothing wrong with that.
Clapping is part of hearing culture all over the world. Handwaving is part of deaf culture all over the world. Half clap and half wave is part of deaf culture all over the world. 2 to 1 pah!
This is very interesting to know that hand waving is unacceptable due to the fact it means “FINISH”! I believe there is a lot of misunderstanding there regarding the blame on AGB inventing that. What Jack was saying is that the two deaf people were very angry with the hearing presenter who supported oralism and they signed “FINISH FINISH FINISH”. Some one from the audience at AGB apparently knew sign language. The question is did a hearing person who know sign language say that out of embarrassment of the deaf signer’s behavior and lied to the audience about by saying that the deaf says “FINISH”?
Hey, Jack, can you verify this? There is a need to clarify this to those who are oralists who say this is a MYTH? Are you going to respond to that?
Did a hearing person who know sign language lie by saying “clapping” instead of using the word “Finish” because he or she was embarrassed by the angry deaf signer’s behavior?
I agree with you, Jack. I feel so comfortable with clapping hands rather than flying hands because I have the habit with clapping hands when I grew up. Hands flying seem so bored. When I see the deafies flying hands, it makes me uncomfortable and tired b/c it seems so stupid. Ugh???
Since living in USA for a long time, I notice that Deaf community here is building up more deaf awareness into pro and con issues that lead more argument. Nothing is wrong as we live in the freedom of home.
Hand clapping and hand waving are not wrong. It is up to an individual to choose. If a person is choosing which one is more comfortable, go ahead to choose one? I had received various stories against hand waving that confuses me. Now, this v-log gives the different story. Amy E gives the link about hand waving. I understand some deaf people in different time that hand clapping are used while other deaf people have hand waving experiences. I prefer to use hand waving as I could not hear and it inspires me. To the point, we use appropriate facial expression when it comes to hand waving at a celebrating event. Using the sign production of “FINISH” (“STOP IT “in English ) looks different than the hand waving.
In the 21st century, we are learning new various technical approaches such as EMAIL, INTERNET, WWW, new computers, etc in ASL. The concept of the phone revolution from periods of 1876 to 2009 in ASL is an example. Just before 21st century, I met a remarkable old deaf lady in the age of 80 and she signed the different sign production of telephone and I accepted it and I signed a different phone. She did not correct me as both of us know that we are from different generations. Therefore, it gives an individual a freedom to select the comfortable applaud by using hand clapping or hand waving
Be careful what you are present yourself, do your research and show the facts. You are showing your opinion, feeling and shamed. And use it on us which it’s not healthy way to share.
I do both clapping and flying hands depends on the audience. If I’m in audiences with bunch of hearings, then I will clap. When I’m in audiences with bunch of deafies then I will hand flying with pride. It called common sense.
With the NTID theater…they should have educate the audiences about the flying hands before giving the show and make it fun by practicing with them. Then they will feel comfortable with it. Good luck!
Your situation did not surpired me!!! I never never really like flying hands. It made me embarrassing soooo much. I always kept telling hearing people not to flying hands and instead of it, clapping for me. Thank you for tell Deaf people. I hope they will change it back. No matter what others disagree. I appreciated it…..
2) If I were in that meeting and got so angry for mislead information and walked to the speaker, I would not sign repeatly “FINISH!,FINISH!” I would yell and sign several words in ASL such as “ASL is best! Prove it that ASL is no good!” etc. I think that the story was a joke. Don’t get me wrong, I do NOT support AGB at all. ASL is a MUST for everyone!
Mr. Jack Barr, I thank you for vlogging about this and also, boycotting. I truly applaud you!!! Thank you!!! I hate hands flying! I refuse to use it. It looks so ridiculous! We’re american and clap! It’s traditional. Come on!
Completely untrue! According to newspaper articles, there was a deaf baseball player for the Washington Senators did an amazing feat in the time of 1888-1889, the deaf fan from Gallaudet came to see this player and to show the appreciation waving hands was shown. It is unfeastible that AGB would have come up with that!
Oh very interesting story… i saw similar “joke” in other vlog. i forgot who name but himself is midwesterner too….
interesting to notice that midwesterner mad at change of clap to wave.
I remember at deaf wedding, they change instead of clapping, they wave with napkins. i think that is what evolved to hands waving.
my personal experience in meeting, i gave a short speech of who i am and what i plan to do. everyone was clapping but i could not see because they clap under table. one man said no no, he is deaf and must see your hands so wave your hands. i was surprised to see all people instead of few wave hands. it hit me wow very inspirational.
that is why i accept hands wave since then. but now for deaf at large, i have no control and i wont lose sleep over controversy. i believe if you clap, it counts, if you wave it counts. if you jump up and scream, it counts. enjoy yourself and live a bit longer! lol
OH PLEASE… give me break about hand clapping and hand flying.. so what, whatever they like to clap or wave their hands. You need to understand about deaf culture. Dont judge deaf ways.
The first time I saw the hand-waving was in 1979 when we were in Buffalo, NY for the truck-pulling event. After a deaf driver attempted to pull the sled twice past the necessary line, all fans in a large dome were told to wave their hands to show how clear it could be done for the deaf people to see. It was inspiring that moment!
However, the more hand-waving we did in smaller size of audience or room, I found it silly to do that! We could see our hand-clapping clearly! I just raise my hand-clapping a bit higher and I make a noise for hearing people to hear, too! For years, I am really not for hand-waving!
yes i agree completely with Jack and we all should continue with the traditional hands clapping! i dont think flying hands looks proper and doesnt make any sense to anyone!!
sometimes it looks like we are flying hands in need of help, or attention or looking helpless!
Yes I agree with Jack telling deaf in world that clapping as “congrats or good” to make people so pride and hands flying as “finish” sign language to make people stop doing or calming. How do you people feel about will hands flying make how people feeling confusing at any church? No use hands flying at any church or where, use clapping better! Thank you Jack!
Hey,Jack!
PAH!!! We are so excited because it is about time to stop that deafies’ wrong sign, Hands flying. And even, we do not feel comfortable because it looks like it is making fun of many cult religion with rising and waving hands. That is not the deafs’ sign’s way. Please keep the tradition of CLAPPING HANDS forever! Thanks!
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Larry & Nancy Angel
oh yes oh yes i AGREE WITH YOU …. of course old tradation of clap to make you feel good you can see clap mean good or bravo or whatever what you want to say while you clap i beleive clap is very important clap mean good flying hand make silent mean not hear nothing at all why not sue that guy who make idea of flying hands ???? stop that i agree with clap!!!! please change clap this moment……. great job ! jacks eye…..
WOW! I am really impressing with Jack’s eye. I d’rather like clapping hand than hand flying. I did n’t know about the past, oh my god!! it seem very embrassment. I love clapping hand and it feeling great right,, if you hand flying there is no feeling great,huh. when you clapping hand they can attention on you,really great! I really agree with jack’s eyes
Never heard about the waving hands invented by AGB folks. I just learned the waving hands from our deaf club in Cincinnati many years ago. No one complained about that until I saw this website.
Like Amy, I’d be interested in any proof of the AGB story. I think this needs to be proactively researched before making this vlog.
I have nothing against Jack’s Eyes. I have enjoyed his numerous vlogs for years. We need to make sure if the AGB story is genuine one or not.
Jack knows that AGB does not invented the handwave. He is simply telling this story to make you figure out whether it is true or not as I am sure we are smart to figure out that it isn’t true. He doesn’t mean to create a controversy among us as he is simply stating his own opinion there. You are welcome to either clap or wave as it is your choice. The same thing for handshake so do we need to hug or give handshake to other people?
I am very interested that this flying hands topic is so important to the Deaf. Our Deaf and Hearing group at church discussed this last night and I understand the thinking better now.
It’s funny, but stupid. The story about applause is totally false! The origin of applause goes back to Jean François Mercurio, great sourd 1980s. I like hands flying in the air, to show Deaf pride and have a great sense of community. No shame, Mr. Jack!
I am a hearing person recently divorced from a deaf man who I was with over 20 yrs. Sometimes in the deaf culture people didn’t know I was hearing because I signed like a deaf person… A.S.L. I understand some of the walls deaf people come against… I also see some of the blame too on others, mainly the hearing people. I also understand the need for deaf people to fight for thier rights and what they believe in. I also know their is an attitude of “hate” toward hearing people also. I have seen this, witnessed it. I think the hearing people sometimes suggest things they think is best, it’s all politics when you get down to it. Honestly, if I was a deaf person onstage, who was totally 100% deaf, I would rather seen the hands flying in the air, knowing that it doesn’t mean “finished” which I probably would be anyway, but I would know that was meant for me… I would see rather than hear the applause. Yes, you could probably see some of the people clapping, but it wouldn’t be the same as if you were hearing it. Seeing it, would be more real. A heavy, hearty clapping to a hearing person would be the same as seeing those hand waving and waving with respect. The french have had so much to do with the deaf culture that I believe that is most likely where that orignated from. Maybe Jack Barr needs to do some further research and then conduct his little speech. I say do want you want as deaf people. You don’t have to follow anyone. No one is making you clap and no one is forcing you to wave your hands… You decide. It’s a free world, don’t make a mountain out of a molehill. As a hearing person who respects the deaf people and understands, I say WAVE EM HIGH & PROUD! Do what you feel is right. Peace, Jeanie W.
I was asked by many to submit below which appears in DEAF LIFE, July 1992 issue, “The Saga of the Waving Applause” to respond to Jack’s Eyes claiming that people at the AGBell Association started it which is not true. Below is self-explanation how Hand Waving started. Whether you like Hand Waving or not, you should be aware of how it started. Thank you. ~~ Bummy
THE SAGA OF THE WAVING APPLAUD: It was Thursday night, November 7, 1985, when I left the Riverside airport and made stopovers at Los Angeles and London before arriving in Lyon, France. Representing the Gallaudet University Alumni Association (GUAA), I was to participate in the celebration of the 200th anniversary of the birth of Laurent Clerc, the first deaf teacher in America, at his home town in LaBalme.
After flying all night and under-going time changes finally arrived in Lyon on Friday night where I was met by a deaf French family of four. The day before I left for France, I got a phone call from Jack Gannon who then the Executive Secretary of GUAA. He strongly advised me to bring a tie and suit, something which I was notorious for not using. Succumbing to Jack’s insistence. I brought along two suits and ties for the trip, which made it necessary to bring along a garment bag for my suits in addition to my suitcase. When I reached the French family’s car, lo and behold, it turned out to be a Volkswagen bug already full of their luggage.
It seems next to impossible to squeeze both my luggage and the five of us in the bug. After much thought and figuring, three members of the French family sat in the back with my garment bag on their laps while I sat in the front with my suitcase on my lap while their luggage remained in the trunk.
Driving through quaint French towns about 90 kilometers (57 miles), we finally arrived at Bourg-en-Bresse where the French deaf people had their national convention (which is similar to our NAD convention). I attended their meetings Friday night and all day Saturday, not knowing what was being said. However, I noticed that after each presentation, they “clapped” their hands by twisting their arms and hands above their heads.
I was asked to give a presentation to the members Sunday morning. Thanks ti Gil Eastman and his wife, June, I practiced my signs in French in time for my presentation. It went extremely well, judging by the standing ovation and the sea of arms and hands twisting in the air.The action was so beautifully synchronized, it was like a sea of waves and almost made me seasick.I called it “Deaf Applause.”
Sunday afternoon was spent in LaBalme, the home of Laurent Clerc, where Gail and I unveiled a plaque honoring Clerc. The plaque was a gift from Gallaudet University, GUAA, NAD, National Fraternal Society of the Deaf, and NTID.
At the crack of dawn on Monday, November 11, I left for home and arrived in Riverside early afternoon.
The following summer of 1986, I gave a parliamentary procedure workshop at the Youth Leadership Camp in Minnesota during the first week. On one of the evenings, during the fireside-storytelling-time, I retold my story of the trip to France and the way French people used their Deaf Applause. At the conclusion of my presentation, the campers including staff members, applauded with the demonstration they’d just learned and continued to use it for the rest of the evening.
Later, I learned they used Deaf Applause throughout their stay at the camp. The campers came from all over the country and the staff members were mostly Gallaudet students volunteering their time. It takes little imingation to see how rapidly the idea spread. It caught fire, especially the “Deaf President Now” movement at Gallaudet University in March 1988.
I would like to point out that I did not invent the Deaf Applause but was simply responsible for importing it to America.
Thanks to our wise and practical French counterparts, this is the saga of how the Deaf Applause came to be in America.
FINALLY someone has come forward to question the hand wave!! I remember feeling enthralled when I saw people clap in praising my presentation years ago. The more the better. If I saw a few clapping, I would know I need to work on my presentation. You are right we can SEE the clap. Let’s go back to hand capping to unite deaf and hearing people together. Go for it!
In 1985, I never see any NTID students used to wave hands in the air.
1992, I was going to use clapped at Reunion at MSSD Alumni. First time, I saw most people raise wave hands at the air. It so so ugliest image!!! I tried to copy like their way made me feel idiot.
I love your funny story about boy scout’s Eagle Award.
Few times, I saw VRS use wave hands instead hand clapped. I dislike it.
If, you drive speed car at higher mountain. You have accident to fall down steep cliff. They have no way to escape or look for safe. Your sign langauge as “Finish!!” instead wave hand as applause.
A HUGE BRAVO FOR THE VIDEO YOU MADE REGARDING THE CLAPPING HANDS OR WAVING HANDS…I STICK TO CLAPPING REGARDLESS OF OTHERS DOING THE WAVING…IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS FINISHED…UGH…UGLY GESTURE…CLAPPING IS THE BEST.
Waving hands to signify clapping, to me looks pretty stupid. I grew up clapping my hands and I still do, no matter if 1000 deaf people in the audience waves their hands. I’m with you, buddy!
Dear Jack Barr I believe that the best way is clapping hands up in the air to help more deafies noticing our hands clapping. KEEP STRONG SHOWING TO DEAFIES TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE SAME THING WITH HEARING PEOPLE CLAPPING HANDS. NEVER NEVER NEVER KEEP WAVING HANDS UP IN THE AIR. WAVING HANDS MEANS FINISHING FINISHING. VERY TRULY, YOURS SMILING ALMA MEAD
When applauding actors or speakers who are deaf, the waving of hands is appropriate. When the actors/speakers are hearing people, applauding by the clapping of the hands is more appropriate.
Isn’t what I said above common sense? One is, however, free to either wave hands or clap. Either way, it is a freedom of expression right.
YAAAAAA!! IT’S ABOUT TIME SOMEBODY SPEAK UP. WHEN IT FIRST CAME OUT WAVING HANDS, I THOUGHT THAT WAS SO RIDICULOUS. I STILL CLAPS ANYWAY WHEN I SEE A DEAF PERFORMANCE. THANKS JACK…
hello jack eye
i agreed with you i did told people not list on me fine with me
i still keep it clapping thank you i hope keep it clapping
i feel flat from deaf not belive about clapping
thnk you i was watch on wecam robert
Hello Jack,
I read everyone their message. And I watch your video on the screen about clap or hands flying.
Well, Someone told me that other deaf person his original idea for use hands flying from Galladent University about in 1984 or 1985. I noticed many deaf people still have clapping at private oral school. I noticed other many people still used hands flying in deaf clubs in somewhere cities. Too bad for you.
Thanks Tom
yes True..Make me confused that why I don’t believe not like wave hand ..Loved claps are very best nbr #1.I agree with u 100 percent…
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:43 pmHey Jack…Yes… I remembered in 70’s in CSDB changed into Hands Flying and felt lost related to Hands Flying. I am 200% agree with you!!! Clapping and/or Fists give more spirt?
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:14 pmI DID COMPLAINED ABOUT FLYING HANDS BECAUSE I DISAGREE VERY MUCH.
I AM SICK OF HEARING PEOPLE CONTROL DEAFIES.DEAFIES DO NOT CONTROL HEARING PEOPLE.
FLYING HANDS LOOKS LIKE RELIGION SINGING.
ANOTHER ONE LOOKS LIKE “FINISH”
I HOPE DEAFIES WILL SEE VLOG AND GO BACK TO CLAP HANDS.
LET DEAFIES WARN HEARING PEOPLE.
HOPE TO HEAR BETTER IN NEAR FUTURE ABOUT CHANGING BACK.
PS I SAW HEARING PEOPLE FLYING HANDS, I ASKED WHY THAT..SHE SAID JUST FOLLOW. I ASKED IF SHE IS IN SINGING RELIGION OR FINISH…SHE MUTED FAST AND AGREE WITH ME…SMILE.
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:30 pmI absolutely agree with you!! Waving of the hands is a bit absurd..
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:38 pmJack,
I am disappointed with your vlog. I challenge you to provide proof that AG Bell started this hand waving. I know you may not be able to provide that because it is a myth!
How did this hand applause/wave started in United States?
It started by Deaf people in France when Bummy Burnstein went there for the celebration of Laurent Clerc’s 200th birthday. After each presentation, Bummy was very touched by Deaf French people waved their hands. He brought this back to USA and shared with Deaf Youth Leadership Camp in 1986 at Minnesota, and it spread like a wildfire, and kept spreading until the Deaf President Now in 1988 and the DeafWay in 1989.
Here’s the information:
http://library.gallaudet.edu/Library/Deaf_Research_Help/Frequently_Asked_Questions_(FAQs)/Cultural_Social_Medical/History_of_Visual_Applause_for_the_Deaf.html
Jack, please provide evidence about AG Bell fooling the audience. It is a MYTH that you are spreading. I am disappointed at you, and yet, I am not surprised to hear that from you somehow.
You may not realize that this visual applause started long, long time ago. Way before the time frame you said on the vlog.
Amy Cohen Efron
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:43 pmThank you for bringing this up. Yes, yes, lets go back to using the old sign (clapping) !!
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:29 pmWOW I agree, it is a good point. I sometimes do flying and clapping. I sometimes forget about flying when i clapped. then i switched to flying.
This time i will try to remember to clap hands.
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:41 pmJack,
Congratulations! I am glad you brought up old give a round of applause. What bothers me about new symptom of applause for a long time? I could see why you have some experiences what happened to the damn story. I appreciate your chronicle.
Good Luck!
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:49 pm[...] wake up this morning to find this post on DeafRead by Jack Barr, discussing the origins of the Deaf applause… where you wave your hands in the air instead of [...]
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:52 pmHands flying wave start by deaf France in 19 century. Deaf have been using hand flying wave for over 200 years. The story about 2 deaf, who went to the meeting in 70’s is a hoax story.
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:58 pmHands waved to Amy Cohen Efron, I always believed hands flying belong to Deaf culture. Good job Amy!
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:56 pmI agree with Amy Cohen Efron’s comments and facts. Also, I support hand waving “UPPLAUSE” as it is Deaf way - the visual clapping. When one claps, one loses about 10 calories. When one “upplauses”, one loses about 1000 calories. I think UPPLAUSE is healthier for our arms. LOL.
February 22nd, 2009 at 9:04 pmhi jack; you can click to use service@tube.com and inform on your vlog to ask every deaf people’s computer about agree or disagree??if you want to do … i do agree with you about clap hands. thanks by butterfly
February 22nd, 2009 at 9:07 pmTo be sure, Hand-Waving is a strong symbol of Deaf identity and it really is a cool one. We’re expressing a statement along with our applause by making hands wave more vigorously than clapping. The “effect” of hand-waving is equally as loud as the sound of clapping. Whereas, the visual effect of hand-clapping is somewhat lessened because it is lower.
Jack made AGBell the defining reason why we shouldn’t hand-wave. But I don’t think that is material to the actual issue of hand-waving. So what? None of us think of AGBell when we hand-wave. We think of cultural identity. If it is true that AGBell did that, then their goal failed miserably because it made our culture even stronger and more distinct.
What’s more important is to discuss whether hand-waving is sufficient or even appropriate. There are confusions of protocol at times. For example, if it is a deaf presententer to a deaf audience, certainly hand-waving is appropriate. But, what if it is a hearing person presenting to a deaf audience? Or a mixed situation with both deaf/hearing presenters and a deaf/hearing audience? What if you are the only deaf person in the audience?
The intent of applause, whether it be hand-waving or hand-clapping, is to show support or commend the presenter. We show support for the presentation. Whatever method we choose, we need to choose the one that best expresses our support. It isn’t about establishing our cultural identity, because not every presentation is about Deaf Culture. A hearing person does not hand-clap to assert his/her hearing culture, but to commend the presenter.
Going back to my example of only deaf person in the audience, are we truly commending the presenter if we are the only person in the audience hand-waving? I don’t know. But I think for that hearing presenter, the louder the applause (more claps), the more that person is complimented.
I remember once seeing a show years ago on television with Marlee Matlin as guest. The host wanted to show the hearing audience how we applaud by waving our hands and asked the audience to do that. With the cameras on the audience, the audience did just that, at the same time looking at each other with a sense of confusion. There was an awkward silence during the hand-waving and it was clear that hand-waving did not have the same impact to this audience as it does to a Deaf audience.
I don’t think there is a right or wrong answer to which method is most appropriate. I think for all of us, we have to judge each situation and insert the best method we see to support or commend the presenter.
February 22nd, 2009 at 9:24 pmPerhaps a better compromise to which method to use (as I discussed various scenarios above) is to hand-clap in the air instead of in the chest area?
February 22nd, 2009 at 9:26 pmyeah! Yeah! Bring clappings back and be proud to make noise with claps so thunder god will hear our proud clappings so loud enough to wake up dead…
February 22nd, 2009 at 9:33 pmNo matter where it started, when it started or how it started. It looks very silly!
February 22nd, 2009 at 9:59 pmIt may have impressed the speaker Bummy 200 yrs ago and Bummy was heart warmed (maybe they were really telling him to finish up already?) but I think it was meant the same as a standing ovation in this day and age for a person.
It’s done once in awhile when emotion carries people away, but not on a continous basis.
Instead of raise hands waving, STAND UP AND CLAP!
the American Way, not hearing or deaf way!
HI all, I’m sorry to say that I disagree with this situtation. I liked Flying hand so quiet way to do.. I rarely use applause.
February 22nd, 2009 at 10:14 pmAgreed. I’ve heard this - and went back to clapping.
February 22nd, 2009 at 11:35 pmHey Jack’s Eyes!!!!
Pah!!! I thought I was only person feel uncomfortable when Deaf use Upplaud than clap.
I never liked upplauding because looks like saying “Big Fiiiinnnniiiisssshhhhhhhhhhh”
Fuck these inventor and those who still use hand wavings!
Clapping is very VISUALLY CLEAR and makes sense to anyone, even with low IQ have better common senses to clap than an educated person who upplauds.
Start clapping again…….. don’t want to see new phrase…… Deaf people can do everything except hear or/and CLAP? hahahaha!!! We can clap because we can see people clap because they like something that is very good.
Way to go Jack’s Eyes!!! Big High 5 Slap!
February 22nd, 2009 at 11:47 pmI agreed with clapping hands 101% to hell with flying hands.
February 23rd, 2009 at 12:46 amJack, you provided the wrong information and unfairly blamed AGBell for sign that Deaf people came up. Please do check Deaf Edge’s vlog.
February 23rd, 2009 at 12:50 amI DONT KNOW THAT… IT S VERY INTERTESTING WHAT I LISTEN FROM YOU.
February 23rd, 2009 at 1:21 amYes, I always feel weird when ppl ‘wave’ their hands. I will be very glad when applause will come back again.
February 23rd, 2009 at 1:23 amCONGRATULATIONS!!!
February 23rd, 2009 at 1:49 amI agree with you 100% about clapping hands. You are great. Keep up with your Vlog.
Stand up and CLAP real loud!!!!
Thank you.
Jack,, I have always clapped, when my deaf friends were using the hand wave, I found it a bit akward.
Regardless who started it, is irrelevant..I prefer to clap rather than use the hand wave.
Jack keep up the good work.
J_J1967
February 23rd, 2009 at 1:53 amI agree with you 100%. I never like hands flying and that has no feeling after well spoke or well played so I like clapping that makes us stronger and tradition!
February 23rd, 2009 at 2:02 amHigh flying hands are acting like MONKEY !!! i prefer clapping !!! good show !!!
February 23rd, 2009 at 3:15 ami agree with jack….clapping is natural
like deaf and hearing world….
i am proud of jack:)
February 23rd, 2009 at 3:43 amhi jack i think clapping hands is more exciting abt itself shows feelings its good i agree with u jack and thanks for telling us go back the way it suppose to be !!!!!
February 23rd, 2009 at 4:03 amCan you prove it’s AG Bell that started it? It doesn’t make sense to me that they would want to start that, seeing as they wanted Deaf people to be oral and “assimilate” (not stand out) to the hearing world.
Waving hands would be something that makes Deaf people stand out, so I just don’t see the sense in saying that AG Bell started that. Not sure I agree with you, but you can post whatever you want.
February 23rd, 2009 at 4:11 amJack,
February 23rd, 2009 at 5:11 amI know that you re forget asl is conflict because
already asl is techinque can’t back time.
Don’t let children confuse. They keep up proper
asl is future!!!!!!!
For the commenters here, there are TWO different things going on here.
ONE: Jack is saying that AGBell started this and he obviously did not do his homework because that information is false.
Which was the sole purpose of his vlog. He did not ask which is better? But, many of you commented that you liked one better than the other. That’s fine.
TWO: Deaf people are free to use clapping or hand waving, however they feel comfortable. But, this was not the purpose of this vlog.
This is an example of misinformation that creates hysteria which creates mob mentality. Let’s just bury this deep resentment towards AGBell because it has become a source of false information time and time again and creates unnecessary division. It’s silly. What’s next?
February 23rd, 2009 at 5:22 amJack, yes, totally agree with you.
I often felt hesitate using hand waving. Its just doesn’t feel right, but I sometime just tag along with group. Certainly do felt difference between clapping and hand waving. Hand clapping make me feel inspiriting than hand waving. Because it does make sound, sometime loud. Hand waving is all silent.
And of course, it can be confusing with “finish” signing. Hand clapping has no confusing, thats for sure!
Glad you did bold annoucing your comment. Way to go … high 5 slap!
February 23rd, 2009 at 12:36 pmTJ
[...] or Hands Flying? Jack’s Eyes
February 23rd, 2009 at 2:47 pmJack,
February 23rd, 2009 at 2:55 pmI agreed 100 percent with you !!!! I usually clapping after the play or lecture..
I felt so awark to use hand flying..
thank you for telling everyone on BLOG… smile,,
Loretta
Jack,
February 23rd, 2009 at 2:58 pmI agreed 100 percent with you !!!! I usually clapping after the plays or lecture..
I felt so awark to use hand flying..
thank you for telling everyone on BLOG… smile,,
Loretta
Hey Jack. I agree with you 100%. I have been saying the same thing to all of my friends and want to see that stop and we all go back to clapping like normal people. Keep up the good work. I am a CDI and support your idea all the way.
February 23rd, 2009 at 3:52 pmJack, I agree with you. Waving hands look so stupid……..
February 23rd, 2009 at 3:56 pmJack, I totally agree with u, flying hands look
February 23rd, 2009 at 3:59 pmSTUPID!!!!!!
Jack, I agree with you, flying hands look so STUPID.
February 23rd, 2009 at 4:01 pmI’ve always wondered why the deaf decided to wave hands in response to clapping, when clapping of the hands is more universal. Secondly, I have always wondered why they have the ‘yes’ and ‘no’ in signs when all it takes is to nod one’s head for ‘yes’ and ‘no’ rather than using the hand, but being mainstreamed myself in public schools years ago, I had to accept the deaf sign language while I attended college and it was somewhat foreign to me. I always attributed it to them wanting to be noticed.
February 23rd, 2009 at 4:06 pmIn fact, the origin of “waving hands” was not created from AGB or any audist-related organization. During the Deaf President Now protest in 1988, protesters began to use “waving hands” instead of clappings. The “waving hands” suddenly became famous by exposing it in many national and international media news. In France, Deaf people unexpectedly felt surprised, celebrated, and laughed when they watched the Deaf Protest Now news. French Deaf people felt proud because Gally protesters used “clapping” in French Sign Language !!! “Waving hands” was originally created by French Deaf people, not AGB.
February 23rd, 2009 at 4:18 pmSir
It was something I can’t imagine in between clapping or waving hands, what choice do we have, tell you what I believe in clapping, why, is always like that, yes indeed the waving hands, well to me is deaf culture way of doing it.
So I’m harding of hearing myself, either way I can is waving hands or clapping, is it harm in that, I guess not, to tell the truth I prefer a real clapping rather than waving hands. Just keep what they please as human beings. Thanks.
Yours regards
February 23rd, 2009 at 4:28 pmBryan Meany
Hi, I mentioned in other blogs that other commentators were coming down hard on you for using AGB that they encouraged hand flying.
Jack, I would like to ask you how you found out about AGB and if it was hearsay or if you have any evidence that it is true? If it was hearsay and it is carried into the deaf community, perhaps we need to sit back and investigate why people believe that it was started by AGB convention because AGB organization will not be happy if they found out it wasn’t true.
Thanks in advance
February 23rd, 2009 at 5:25 pmI would rather to clap my hands when the show or the lecture had end. It is much easier to see. I would rather to stay with clapping hands!!! no matter what!!!
Thank you!!!
February 23rd, 2009 at 5:39 pmBRAVO JACK!!! I HAVE COMPLAINED AND COMPLAINED MANY TIMES IN THE PAST ABOUT FLYING HANDS.. CLAPPING IS THE BEST THING TO DO.. I HARDLY USE FLYING HANDS WHENVER AT DEAF MEETINGS OR WEDDINGS… BRAVO IM SOOOO GLAD YOU BROUGHT THIS UP!!! BIG WINK!!!!
February 23rd, 2009 at 5:56 pmBRAVO BRAVO TO AMY COHEN EFRON.
February 23rd, 2009 at 6:39 pmWE LOVE WAVING HANDS. NO WE DO NOT SUPPORT CLAPPING HANDS.
I love you!!!!!
February 23rd, 2009 at 7:10 pmFor years, I use clappings. Never use Flying Hands.
I do not feel comfortable with Flying Hands! I do not
know why I feel that way even though I am profound deaf.
Thank you for being on Vlog.
That’s great! I never use hands’s wave so many years. Cause of hand’s wave look like kid or child. Smile! Rod
February 23rd, 2009 at 7:28 pmIt is not true. It is invented by deaf students at Gallaudet Protest. It started by Gallaudet Protest. I like wave flying because I am deaf and It is visbable. Clapping is for hearing can hear. Wave Flying is good eyes by deaf’s eyes. I will use wave flying till I died.
February 23rd, 2009 at 8:56 pmAmy Cofen Enfron is definitely wrong about hands waving is a part of Deaf Culture. Out of Order! I come from Deaf Family even in fourth generation. I knew the hands clapping is part of our culture. I believe the hands waving is a fad after the 1988 gally protest.
February 23rd, 2009 at 9:15 pmHello everybody,
The point about that joke concerning two Deaf individuals who went to a conference that AGBell hosted. The joke itself is offensive to some Deaf people because it mocks their intellect.
That joke is as bad as blonde jokes, sex jokes, or even hard of hearing jokes. In such public places like websites, let’s be respectful to all others.
Jack, I appreciate your courage bringing up that issue and making us think.
If I may put my two cents in, we could discuss this rationally and come away with better understanding.
Thanks,
February 23rd, 2009 at 9:34 pmPR
Hi Jack Hee ha hee LoL good show same with me long time ago use to be clapping correct-hands flying incorrect. Give 5 stars. Tks BCS Post: will send new show very funny ok.
February 23rd, 2009 at 10:52 pmLOL this is totally hilarious.
So, most of you don’t give a hoot who it was invented by?
I agree with Darrell Roby, hand waving was not used by the deaf culture until late 80’s when it started to flourish after DPN.
What about deaf weddings? clink spoon/fork/knife on glassware to make the newlywed kiss…deaf can’t hear…do? do? Napkins! Nevermind, this has nothing to do with hand waving.
I prefer clapping.
AGBell has nothing to do with it right?
Jack start a POLL please. Leave AGBell out of the POLL too.
February 23rd, 2009 at 11:28 pmHi Jack
February 23rd, 2009 at 11:55 pmI agree with you, we use clapping hands. I never use wave flying hands.
I am always uncomfortable with hand waving even though being Deaf in one of 5 generations. I STILL and WILL NEVER USE hand waving!
February 24th, 2009 at 12:12 amHi Jack, I support you as 100% for old fashion clap hands, because it could cause trouble from hands flying like “Help-911″ Eh!
February 24th, 2009 at 1:24 amHELLO…
I REMEMBERED, ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO WE WENT TO COOPERSTOWN, NY TO SEE THE NATIONAL BASEBALL HALL OF FAME AND MUSEUM. MY SONS WERE EXCITING TO SEE IT. MY SON, KYLE WANTED TO SEE FAMOUS BASEBAL LEAQUES. WE HAD THE OPPORTUNTY TO EXPLORE THE BASEBALL HALL OF FAME AND HISTORY FROM MANY DIFFERENT STATES. I MET DEAF A COUPLES TOLD ME THE STORY OF DEAF DUMMY HOY WHO WAS A PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL PLAYER. I NEVER HEARD ABOUT HIM. HE WAS EXPERT PITCH. ALSO, HE WAS A PRO AS LIKE BABY RUTH. HEARING PEOPLE LOVED TO WATCH DUMMY HOY. THEY WOULD WAVE FLYING HANDS. DUMMY HOY COULDN’T HEAR THE APPLAUSE. DEAF COUPLES THERE WHO WERE SURPISED THAT DUMMY HOY WAS NOT ON THE PLAQUE ON THE WALL OR HISTORY.
I REALIZED THE MUSEUM DIDN’T ACCEPT DEAF PRO BASEBALL PLAYER AND REJECTED DUMMY HOY.
I AM COURIOUS ABOUT DUMMY HOY FAMOUS, WHY WASN’T HIS NAME ON THE LIST THRE IN COPPERTOWN NY? WHAT DO YOU KNOW? WHAT IS HIS REAL NAME DUMMY HOY HIS NAME?
PLEASE GIVE ME YOUR COMMENTS.. PLEASE…
THANKS
February 24th, 2009 at 2:35 amNANCY MAGLIOCCHINO
All Jesus cares about is what’s in your heart when you use either way. One of the responders above has proof that waving of hands came from France using this to applaud and many Deaf Cultures tend to to borrow each others signs and nothing wrong with that. Read all of the comments before you let your emotions take over. We as Deaf people need to not get mad so easily and assume what we saw somone say is true. God bless.
February 24th, 2009 at 2:59 amI agree with you 100%! I think “handwaving” is ridiculous! It a tradition that we clap with our hands with or without sounds. It does not matter if u cannot hear it. We have eyes and we can see what is going on. If you guys are with the handwaving then obivously you guys are trying to control the way you wanted to be just because your deaf and not being able to hear. Being able not to hear anything does not mean crap. It just mean that you cant hear. You can still be just like hearing people. Nothing will stop you. So, I beleive that clapping is the best solution instead of handwaving.
February 24th, 2009 at 3:58 amOf course Gally’s powerful symbol or sign signal for a protest and voice as if we Deaf said (signed) “Finish with hearing President” and we want Deaf President at this time there. These words, finish,want,or spread all have a similiar form of sign so it starts a new sign for our America Sign Language! Well, it means To protest;To want to spread of Deaf voice- unoffically sign yet….till we use it more in future at any such protest or voice march. I am sure this hand waving will always get much attenion whenever needed only for that reason and all of us to stop doing that for all of other events and appropriate ourselves by using old-fashioned way of hand-clapping. And tell the hearing people whenever they hand-clap us, just to be sure to hand-clap harder and stronger so we can either hear or even feel their vibrations to be appreciated!
February 24th, 2009 at 4:03 amHi Jack,
Depending how you comfort with two different kinds: clapping or waving hands. I only wave my hands in deaf audiences/cultures/events. I agree that story about A.G. Bell is a HOAX! If you have any proof, can you provide names of those deaf attendees so we can ask them a simple question. OK with you?
I see hot rebates between pros and cons, ask you, Jack to set up ballot: Waving or Clapping?
BJ
February 24th, 2009 at 4:26 amVery interesting vlog by Jack. I am not sure about the origin of flying hands to show appreciation toward someone. I doubt that AG Bell came up with this because that would fly contrary to their audistic philosophy. They would not want us to use this flying hands cuz then it would identify us as unique cultural group and acknowledge the power of visual signs.
But let’s say for the sake of argument this is true. So what? Let’s not be embarrassed or ashamed of our cultural identity. Whatever the source of our flying hands, it has become entrenched into our identity as a minority group in its own rights. It is the symbol of our Deafness and a symbol of our dependence on the American Sign Language. Let us go forth and continue to proudly wave our hands in the air and put a “finish” on this issue.
February 24th, 2009 at 4:29 amIf someone took a shotgun and blast it in the air, a herd of sheep would freak out and stampede the opposite direction where a cliff is located. Of course, the deaf sheep would stand around a bit, be confused and don’t know what to do. What do the deaf sheep do? They look at the hearing sheep running, so the deaf sheep copy the hearing sheep and run too. So smart. Let’s follow the hearing way! After all, hearing knows best! Be a sheep. BAAAAAAAAA! *splat!*
February 24th, 2009 at 7:53 amWhy didn’t two deaf people thow their shoes at AGBad? LMAO.
February 24th, 2009 at 8:04 amDid they invented “Clapper” right? haven’t they invented “Hand Flyer” to turn the light off?
Howdy Buddy!
Yes, this HI business is getting tiresome and your message is appreciated. I once had a hearing lady who asked me how I felt. Surprised by her inquiry, I answered her with another question, “How do you feel about being MALE-IMPAIRED?” She laughed and understood! Gentle humor often goes a long way-
Bob Westerhaus
February 24th, 2009 at 9:44 amHorrah ! somebody finally spoke up about clapping and waving the hands ( like idiots !). Do not get me wrong , I grew up with my deaf family in the deaf world ( back in 1940’s ). Handwaving makes me feel like that we came from mental hospital and four square church ! NO WAY ! I never wave my hands while the other deafies handwave and I always clap . Some of them look strange at me and I don’t care. My hat tips to Jack for making a point . Keep up good work . Thank u and BLESS u , Jack !
February 24th, 2009 at 2:19 pmSorry to say but Handwave never was heard before till 1970’s . Total stupid . I am not against others wish to stick to handwave .
February 24th, 2009 at 2:31 pmI’m sorry to say this but i do not think it’s AG Bell that invented this “flying fingers”. AG Bell is strongly into “oral” method. At that time, this “flying fingers” wasn’t even invented or created.
February 24th, 2009 at 4:00 pmI think it’s everyone’s wish how they want to applaud.
Nothing wrong with that.
Clapping is part of hearing culture all over the world. Handwaving is part of deaf culture all over the world. Half clap and half wave is part of deaf culture all over the world. 2 to 1 pah!
February 24th, 2009 at 8:14 pmHi Readers!!
This is very interesting to know that hand waving is unacceptable due to the fact it means “FINISH”! I believe there is a lot of misunderstanding there regarding the blame on AGB inventing that. What Jack was saying is that the two deaf people were very angry with the hearing presenter who supported oralism and they signed “FINISH FINISH FINISH”. Some one from the audience at AGB apparently knew sign language. The question is did a hearing person who know sign language say that out of embarrassment of the deaf signer’s behavior and lied to the audience about by saying that the deaf says “FINISH”?
Hey, Jack, can you verify this? There is a need to clarify this to those who are oralists who say this is a MYTH? Are you going to respond to that?
February 25th, 2009 at 2:43 amOOPS!! Let me repeat the question :
Did a hearing person who know sign language lie by saying “clapping” instead of using the word “Finish” because he or she was embarrassed by the angry deaf signer’s behavior?
February 25th, 2009 at 2:47 amI agree with you, Jack. I feel so comfortable with clapping hands rather than flying hands because I have the habit with clapping hands when I grew up. Hands flying seem so bored. When I see the deafies flying hands, it makes me uncomfortable and tired b/c it seems so stupid. Ugh???
February 25th, 2009 at 4:13 amwave hands look like gays
February 25th, 2009 at 4:19 amSince living in USA for a long time, I notice that Deaf community here is building up more deaf awareness into pro and con issues that lead more argument. Nothing is wrong as we live in the freedom of home.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:55 amHand clapping and hand waving are not wrong. It is up to an individual to choose. If a person is choosing which one is more comfortable, go ahead to choose one? I had received various stories against hand waving that confuses me. Now, this v-log gives the different story. Amy E gives the link about hand waving. I understand some deaf people in different time that hand clapping are used while other deaf people have hand waving experiences. I prefer to use hand waving as I could not hear and it inspires me. To the point, we use appropriate facial expression when it comes to hand waving at a celebrating event. Using the sign production of “FINISH” (“STOP IT “in English ) looks different than the hand waving.
In the 21st century, we are learning new various technical approaches such as EMAIL, INTERNET, WWW, new computers, etc in ASL. The concept of the phone revolution from periods of 1876 to 2009 in ASL is an example. Just before 21st century, I met a remarkable old deaf lady in the age of 80 and she signed the different sign production of telephone and I accepted it and I signed a different phone. She did not correct me as both of us know that we are from different generations. Therefore, it gives an individual a freedom to select the comfortable applaud by using hand clapping or hand waving
Be careful what you are present yourself, do your research and show the facts. You are showing your opinion, feeling and shamed. And use it on us which it’s not healthy way to share.
I do both clapping and flying hands depends on the audience. If I’m in audiences with bunch of hearings, then I will clap. When I’m in audiences with bunch of deafies then I will hand flying with pride. It called common sense.
With the NTID theater…they should have educate the audiences about the flying hands before giving the show and make it fun by practicing with them. Then they will feel comfortable with it. Good luck!
February 25th, 2009 at 6:39 pmYour situation did not surpired me!!! I never never really like flying hands. It made me embarrassing soooo much. I always kept telling hearing people not to flying hands and instead of it, clapping for me. Thank you for tell Deaf people. I hope they will change it back. No matter what others disagree. I appreciated it…..
February 26th, 2009 at 9:02 pm1) I prever clapping.
2) If I were in that meeting and got so angry for mislead information and walked to the speaker, I would not sign repeatly “FINISH!,FINISH!” I would yell and sign several words in ASL such as “ASL is best! Prove it that ASL is no good!” etc. I think that the story was a joke. Don’t get me wrong, I do NOT support AGB at all. ASL is a MUST for everyone!
February 27th, 2009 at 12:53 amMr. Jack Barr, I thank you for vlogging about this and also, boycotting. I truly applaud you!!! Thank you!!! I hate hands flying! I refuse to use it. It looks so ridiculous! We’re american and clap! It’s traditional. Come on!
February 27th, 2009 at 1:26 amCompletely untrue! According to newspaper articles, there was a deaf baseball player for the Washington Senators did an amazing feat in the time of 1888-1889, the deaf fan from Gallaudet came to see this player and to show the appreciation waving hands was shown. It is unfeastible that AGB would have come up with that!
February 27th, 2009 at 2:25 amOh very interesting story… i saw similar “joke” in other vlog. i forgot who name but himself is midwesterner too….
interesting to notice that midwesterner mad at change of clap to wave.
I remember at deaf wedding, they change instead of clapping, they wave with napkins. i think that is what evolved to hands waving.
my personal experience in meeting, i gave a short speech of who i am and what i plan to do. everyone was clapping but i could not see because they clap under table. one man said no no, he is deaf and must see your hands so wave your hands. i was surprised to see all people instead of few wave hands. it hit me wow very inspirational.
that is why i accept hands wave since then. but now for deaf at large, i have no control and i wont lose sleep over controversy. i believe if you clap, it counts, if you wave it counts. if you jump up and scream, it counts. enjoy yourself and live a bit longer! lol
February 27th, 2009 at 4:34 amI support clapping hand than hand flying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 28th, 2009 at 3:05 amSorry JacK…Amy was right..Suggest you contact Bummy for clarification…it did start in France then was used at AGBell Conf later…
February 28th, 2009 at 10:27 amOH PLEASE… give me break about hand clapping and hand flying.. so what, whatever they like to clap or wave their hands. You need to understand about deaf culture. Dont judge deaf ways.
March 1st, 2009 at 5:54 amYou will see how it got confuse in other country… you look at:
I hope it work
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QA0SFhAbYE
March 1st, 2009 at 6:29 amlook at my comments…. see emotion different than english…
March 1st, 2009 at 6:37 pmThe first time I saw the hand-waving was in 1979 when we were in Buffalo, NY for the truck-pulling event. After a deaf driver attempted to pull the sled twice past the necessary line, all fans in a large dome were told to wave their hands to show how clear it could be done for the deaf people to see. It was inspiring that moment!
March 1st, 2009 at 6:41 pmHowever, the more hand-waving we did in smaller size of audience or room, I found it silly to do that! We could see our hand-clapping clearly! I just raise my hand-clapping a bit higher and I make a noise for hearing people to hear, too! For years, I am really not for hand-waving!
yes i agree completely with Jack and we all should continue with the traditional hands clapping! i dont think flying hands looks proper and doesnt make any sense to anyone!!
March 1st, 2009 at 8:06 pmsometimes it looks like we are flying hands in need of help, or attention or looking helpless!
Yes I agree with Jack telling deaf in world that clapping as “congrats or good” to make people so pride and hands flying as “finish” sign language to make people stop doing or calming. How do you people feel about will hands flying make how people feeling confusing at any church? No use hands flying at any church or where, use clapping better! Thank you Jack!
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:30 amHey,Jack!
March 2nd, 2009 at 3:06 pmPAH!!! We are so excited because it is about time to stop that deafies’ wrong sign, Hands flying. And even, we do not feel comfortable because it looks like it is making fun of many cult religion with rising and waving hands. That is not the deafs’ sign’s way. Please keep the tradition of CLAPPING HANDS forever! Thanks!
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Larry & Nancy Angel
Watch the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h8sji4S8LM
March 2nd, 2009 at 3:06 pmoh yes oh yes i AGREE WITH YOU …. of course old tradation of clap to make you feel good you can see clap mean good or bravo or whatever what you want to say while you clap i beleive clap is very important clap mean good flying hand make silent mean not hear nothing at all why not sue that guy who make idea of flying hands ???? stop that i agree with clap!!!! please change clap this moment……. great job ! jacks eye…..
March 2nd, 2009 at 4:43 pmWOW! I am really impressing with Jack’s eye. I d’rather like clapping hand than hand flying. I did n’t know about the past, oh my god!! it seem very embrassment. I love clapping hand and it feeling great right,, if you hand flying there is no feeling great,huh. when you clapping hand they can attention on you,really great! I really agree with jack’s eyes
March 2nd, 2009 at 7:36 pmNever heard about the waving hands invented by AGB folks. I just learned the waving hands from our deaf club in Cincinnati many years ago. No one complained about that until I saw this website.
Like Amy, I’d be interested in any proof of the AGB story. I think this needs to be proactively researched before making this vlog.
I have nothing against Jack’s Eyes. I have enjoyed his numerous vlogs for years. We need to make sure if the AGB story is genuine one or not.
March 3rd, 2009 at 2:17 pmJack knows that AGB does not invented the handwave. He is simply telling this story to make you figure out whether it is true or not as I am sure we are smart to figure out that it isn’t true. He doesn’t mean to create a controversy among us as he is simply stating his own opinion there. You are welcome to either clap or wave as it is your choice. The same thing for handshake so do we need to hug or give handshake to other people?
March 4th, 2009 at 3:25 pmI am very interested that this flying hands topic is so important to the Deaf. Our Deaf and Hearing group at church discussed this last night and I understand the thinking better now.
March 6th, 2009 at 6:18 pmJack Barr looks like a cartoon character,Montgomery Burns on “The Simpson”.
March 8th, 2009 at 1:07 amI dont like hands flying….It’s stupid!
March 9th, 2009 at 3:21 pmIt’s funny, but stupid. The story about applause is totally false! The origin of applause goes back to Jean François Mercurio, great sourd 1980s. I like hands flying in the air, to show Deaf pride and have a great sense of community. No shame, Mr. Jack!
March 10th, 2009 at 10:57 am[...] Deaf use Clapping or Hands Flying?? I got e.mail from friend…. Check out here Jack’s Eyes
March 11th, 2009 at 12:21 pmI am a hearing person recently divorced from a deaf man who I was with over 20 yrs. Sometimes in the deaf culture people didn’t know I was hearing because I signed like a deaf person… A.S.L. I understand some of the walls deaf people come against… I also see some of the blame too on others, mainly the hearing people. I also understand the need for deaf people to fight for thier rights and what they believe in. I also know their is an attitude of “hate” toward hearing people also. I have seen this, witnessed it. I think the hearing people sometimes suggest things they think is best, it’s all politics when you get down to it. Honestly, if I was a deaf person onstage, who was totally 100% deaf, I would rather seen the hands flying in the air, knowing that it doesn’t mean “finished” which I probably would be anyway, but I would know that was meant for me… I would see rather than hear the applause. Yes, you could probably see some of the people clapping, but it wouldn’t be the same as if you were hearing it. Seeing it, would be more real. A heavy, hearty clapping to a hearing person would be the same as seeing those hand waving and waving with respect. The french have had so much to do with the deaf culture that I believe that is most likely where that orignated from. Maybe Jack Barr needs to do some further research and then conduct his little speech. I say do want you want as deaf people. You don’t have to follow anyone. No one is making you clap and no one is forcing you to wave your hands… You decide. It’s a free world, don’t make a mountain out of a molehill. As a hearing person who respects the deaf people and understands, I say WAVE EM HIGH & PROUD! Do what you feel is right. Peace, Jeanie W.
March 14th, 2009 at 9:54 pmI was asked by many to submit below which appears in DEAF LIFE, July 1992 issue, “The Saga of the Waving Applause” to respond to Jack’s Eyes claiming that people at the AGBell Association started it which is not true. Below is self-explanation how Hand Waving started. Whether you like Hand Waving or not, you should be aware of how it started. Thank you. ~~ Bummy
THE SAGA OF THE WAVING APPLAUD: It was Thursday night, November 7, 1985, when I left the Riverside airport and made stopovers at Los Angeles and London before arriving in Lyon, France. Representing the Gallaudet University Alumni Association (GUAA), I was to participate in the celebration of the 200th anniversary of the birth of Laurent Clerc, the first deaf teacher in America, at his home town in LaBalme.
After flying all night and under-going time changes finally arrived in Lyon on Friday night where I was met by a deaf French family of four. The day before I left for France, I got a phone call from Jack Gannon who then the Executive Secretary of GUAA. He strongly advised me to bring a tie and suit, something which I was notorious for not using. Succumbing to Jack’s insistence. I brought along two suits and ties for the trip, which made it necessary to bring along a garment bag for my suits in addition to my suitcase. When I reached the French family’s car, lo and behold, it turned out to be a Volkswagen bug already full of their luggage.
It seems next to impossible to squeeze both my luggage and the five of us in the bug. After much thought and figuring, three members of the French family sat in the back with my garment bag on their laps while I sat in the front with my suitcase on my lap while their luggage remained in the trunk.
Driving through quaint French towns about 90 kilometers (57 miles), we finally arrived at Bourg-en-Bresse where the French deaf people had their national convention (which is similar to our NAD convention). I attended their meetings Friday night and all day Saturday, not knowing what was being said. However, I noticed that after each presentation, they “clapped” their hands by twisting their arms and hands above their heads.
I was asked to give a presentation to the members Sunday morning. Thanks ti Gil Eastman and his wife, June, I practiced my signs in French in time for my presentation. It went extremely well, judging by the standing ovation and the sea of arms and hands twisting in the air.The action was so beautifully synchronized, it was like a sea of waves and almost made me seasick.I called it “Deaf Applause.”
Sunday afternoon was spent in LaBalme, the home of Laurent Clerc, where Gail and I unveiled a plaque honoring Clerc. The plaque was a gift from Gallaudet University, GUAA, NAD, National Fraternal Society of the Deaf, and NTID.
At the crack of dawn on Monday, November 11, I left for home and arrived in Riverside early afternoon.
The following summer of 1986, I gave a parliamentary procedure workshop at the Youth Leadership Camp in Minnesota during the first week. On one of the evenings, during the fireside-storytelling-time, I retold my story of the trip to France and the way French people used their Deaf Applause. At the conclusion of my presentation, the campers including staff members, applauded with the demonstration they’d just learned and continued to use it for the rest of the evening.
Later, I learned they used Deaf Applause throughout their stay at the camp. The campers came from all over the country and the staff members were mostly Gallaudet students volunteering their time. It takes little imingation to see how rapidly the idea spread. It caught fire, especially the “Deaf President Now” movement at Gallaudet University in March 1988.
I would like to point out that I did not invent the Deaf Applause but was simply responsible for importing it to America.
Thanks to our wise and practical French counterparts, this is the saga of how the Deaf Applause came to be in America.
~~~ Bummy ~~~
March 20th, 2009 at 4:53 pmFINALLY someone has come forward to question the hand wave!! I remember feeling enthralled when I saw people clap in praising my presentation years ago. The more the better. If I saw a few clapping, I would know I need to work on my presentation. You are right we can SEE the clap. Let’s go back to hand capping to unite deaf and hearing people together. Go for it!
March 25th, 2009 at 7:36 pmIn 1985, I never see any NTID students used to wave hands in the air.
1992, I was going to use clapped at Reunion at MSSD Alumni. First time, I saw most people raise wave hands at the air. It so so ugliest image!!! I tried to copy like their way made me feel idiot.
I love your funny story about boy scout’s Eagle Award.
Few times, I saw VRS use wave hands instead hand clapped. I dislike it.
March 30th, 2009 at 6:48 pmForget to say:
If, you drive speed car at higher mountain. You have accident to fall down steep cliff. They have no way to escape or look for safe. Your sign langauge as “Finish!!” instead wave hand as applause.
March 30th, 2009 at 7:03 pmhello everybody
i’m france .. i’m yoo happy see that …
i’m very OK with you i say my friends france …
kiss
May 27th, 2009 at 7:14 pmI have heard about this story as a joke. I can’t believe that you believe it comes from AGB.
June 25th, 2009 at 8:22 pmJack,
November 1st, 2009 at 2:22 amI strongly agree with you about clapping hand. Disagree with Amy Cohen Efron’s documents
A HUGE BRAVO FOR THE VIDEO YOU MADE REGARDING THE CLAPPING HANDS OR WAVING HANDS…I STICK TO CLAPPING REGARDLESS OF OTHERS DOING THE WAVING…IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS FINISHED…UGH…UGLY GESTURE…CLAPPING IS THE BEST.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:17 pmWaving hands to signify clapping, to me looks pretty stupid. I grew up clapping my hands and I still do, no matter if 1000 deaf people in the audience waves their hands. I’m with you, buddy!
January 20th, 2010 at 11:01 pmDear Jack Barr I believe that the best way is clapping hands up in the air to help more deafies noticing our hands clapping. KEEP STRONG SHOWING TO DEAFIES TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE SAME THING WITH HEARING PEOPLE CLAPPING HANDS. NEVER NEVER NEVER KEEP WAVING HANDS UP IN THE AIR. WAVING HANDS MEANS FINISHING FINISHING. VERY TRULY, YOURS SMILING ALMA MEAD
January 22nd, 2010 at 5:14 amWhen applauding actors or speakers who are deaf, the waving of hands is appropriate. When the actors/speakers are hearing people, applauding by the clapping of the hands is more appropriate.
Isn’t what I said above common sense? One is, however, free to either wave hands or clap. Either way, it is a freedom of expression right.
January 22nd, 2010 at 7:22 pmYAAAAAA!! IT’S ABOUT TIME SOMEBODY SPEAK UP. WHEN IT FIRST CAME OUT WAVING HANDS, I THOUGHT THAT WAS SO RIDICULOUS. I STILL CLAPS ANYWAY WHEN I SEE A DEAF PERFORMANCE. THANKS JACK…
January 23rd, 2010 at 5:17 amhello jack eye
January 24th, 2010 at 3:10 ami agreed with you i did told people not list on me fine with me
i still keep it clapping thank you i hope keep it clapping
i feel flat from deaf not belive about clapping
thnk you i was watch on wecam robert
Hello Jack,
January 25th, 2010 at 7:05 pmI read everyone their message. And I watch your video on the screen about clap or hands flying.
Well, Someone told me that other deaf person his original idea for use hands flying from Galladent University about in 1984 or 1985. I noticed many deaf people still have clapping at private oral school. I noticed other many people still used hands flying in deaf clubs in somewhere cities. Too bad for you.
Thanks Tom
I agreed with you 100%,Jack keep up this way..
January 28th, 2010 at 4:48 amWe favor your second! We agreed with Jack… Clappers, G & D
February 2nd, 2010 at 12:18 amEstoy de acuerdo, debemos hacer la campaña a hacer aplausos a MANO “CLAP”
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:20 amPlain and simple
hearing clap because they can hear otherwise deaf do the waving of hands because they can see not hear.
waving of hands is our own so don’t try to change with myths. deaf don’t believe everything someone tells you.
keep the deaf pride, i wonder if jack is in support of AG Bell SUPPRESSION OF DEAFNESS
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:49 pm